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bradpitcher
I can't use svn or ssh for any of the projects I registered at
projects.openmoko.org.  It just hangs!  Is there a trick to it?  I
generated a key and saved it using the admin form, but when I try to
checkout, it doesn't do anything.  It just sits there.  Has anyone else
had this problem/know of a solution?  Help!
thanks,
Brad

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Re: Projects hosted at projects.openmoko.org

Vikas Saurabh
My best guess would be some proxy/gateway blocking your traffic.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Brad Pitcher <[hidden email]> wrote:
I can't use svn or ssh for any of the projects I registered at
projects.openmoko.org.  It just hangs!  Is there a trick to it?  I
generated a key and saved it using the admin form, but when I try to
checkout, it doesn't do anything.  It just sits there.  Has anyone else
had this problem/know of a solution?  Help!
thanks,
Brad

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Re: Projects hosted at projects.openmoko.org

mahendra panpalia
Brad.....Were you able to connect it before??



On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Vikas Saurabh <[hidden email]> wrote:

My best guess would be some proxy/gateway blocking your traffic.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Brad Pitcher <
[hidden email]<[hidden email]>
> wrote:

> I can't use svn or ssh for any of the projects I registered at
> projects.openmoko.org.  It just hangs!  Is there a trick to it?  I
> generated a key and saved it using the admin form, but when I try to
> checkout, it doesn't do anything.  It just sits there.  Has anyone else
> had this problem/know of a solution?  Help!
> thanks,
> Brad
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Not with this computer.  I guess it could be a local network problem,
but it's supposed to be completely open.  I can ssh onto other servers.

mahendra panpalia wrote:

> Brad.....Were you able to connect it before??
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Vikas Saurabh
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>
>     My best guess would be some proxy/gateway blocking your traffic.
>
>     On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Brad Pitcher <
>     [hidden email]
>     <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]><ml-user%[hidden email]
>     <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]>>
>     > wrote:
>
>     > I can't use svn or ssh for any of the projects I registered at
>     > projects.openmoko.org <http://projects.openmoko.org>.  It just
>     hangs!  Is there a trick to it?  I
>     > generated a key and saved it using the admin form, but when I try to
>     > checkout, it doesn't do anything.  It just sits there.  Has
>     anyone else
>     > had this problem/know of a solution?  Help!
>     > thanks,
>     > Brad
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mahendra panpalia
then it seems it is not local server problem.
you may confirm by ssh to the computer where it downloads the project from openmoko and then ssh to openmoko.

can you try this?

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Brad Pitcher <[hidden email]> wrote:
Not with this computer.  I guess it could be a local network problem, but it's supposed to be completely open.  I can ssh onto other servers.

mahendra panpalia wrote:
Brad.....Were you able to connect it before??



On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Vikas Saurabh <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:


   My best guess would be some proxy/gateway blocking your traffic.

   On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Brad Pitcher <
   [hidden email]
   <mailto:[hidden email]><[hidden email]
   <mailto:[hidden email]>>

   > wrote:

   > I can't use svn or ssh for any of the projects I registered at
   > projects.openmoko.org <http://projects.openmoko.org>.  It just

   hangs!  Is there a trick to it?  I
   > generated a key and saved it using the admin form, but when I try to
   > checkout, it doesn't do anything.  It just sits there.  Has
   anyone else
   > had this problem/know of a solution?  Help!
   > thanks,
   > Brad
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Re: Projects hosted at projects.openmoko.org

bradpitcher
well... I don't have that computer/network anymore so unfortunately I
can't confirm that.  Do these responses indicate that you haven't had
these problems?  Even when I did get it working, I remember very clearly
that it was quite a royal pain.  It never worked for me with the
"svn+ssh" method and I always had to used the DAV method.  It's really
just me? :(

mahendra panpalia wrote:

> then it seems it is not local server problem.
> you may confirm by ssh to the computer where it downloads the project
> from openmoko and then ssh to openmoko.
>
> can you try this?
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Brad Pitcher <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Not with this computer.  I guess it could be a local network
>     problem, but it's supposed to be completely open.  I can ssh onto
>     other servers.
>
>     mahendra panpalia wrote:
>
>         Brad.....Were you able to connect it before??
>
>
>
>         On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Vikas Saurabh
>         <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>         <mailto:[hidden email]
>         <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>
>
>            My best guess would be some proxy/gateway blocking your
>         traffic.
>
>            On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Brad Pitcher <
>            [hidden email]
>         <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]>
>            <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]
>         <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]>><ml-user%[hidden email]
>         <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]>
>            <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]
>         <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]>>>
>
>            > wrote:
>
>            > I can't use svn or ssh for any of the projects I
>         registered at
>            > projects.openmoko.org <http://projects.openmoko.org>
>         <http://projects.openmoko.org>.  It just
>
>            hangs!  Is there a trick to it?  I
>            > generated a key and saved it using the admin form, but
>         when I try to
>            > checkout, it doesn't do anything.  It just sits there.  Has
>            anyone else
>            > had this problem/know of a solution?  Help!
>            > thanks,
>            > Brad
>            >
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bradpitcher
oops.. It's seems that was the "fix".  I tried it with DAV and it worked
on one of my projects, but I think the other one has a problem with the
SVN repository:
http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=flashlight
Can Joachim or anybody please fix this?  I have fresh code that needs to
be put in a safe place before it gets bit rot! ;)
Thanks,
Brad

Brad Pitcher wrote:

> well... I don't have that computer/network anymore so unfortunately I
> can't confirm that.  Do these responses indicate that you haven't had
> these problems?  Even when I did get it working, I remember very
> clearly that it was quite a royal pain.  It never worked for me with
> the "svn+ssh" method and I always had to used the DAV method.  It's
> really just me? :(
>
> mahendra panpalia wrote:
>> then it seems it is not local server problem.
>> you may confirm by ssh to the computer where it downloads the project
>> from openmoko and then ssh to openmoko.
>>
>> can you try this?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Brad Pitcher <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>     Not with this computer.  I guess it could be a local network
>>     problem, but it's supposed to be completely open.  I can ssh onto
>>     other servers.
>>
>>     mahendra panpalia wrote:
>>
>>         Brad.....Were you able to connect it before??
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Vikas Saurabh
>>         <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>         <mailto:[hidden email]
>>         <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>            My best guess would be some proxy/gateway blocking your
>>         traffic.
>>
>>            On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Brad Pitcher <
>>            [hidden email]
>>         <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]>
>>            <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]
>>        
>> <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]>><ml-user%[hidden email]
>>
>>         <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]>
>>            <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]
>>         <mailto:ml-user%[hidden email]>>>
>>
>>            > wrote:
>>
>>            > I can't use svn or ssh for any of the projects I
>>         registered at
>>            > projects.openmoko.org <http://projects.openmoko.org>
>>         <http://projects.openmoko.org>.  It just
>>
>>            hangs!  Is there a trick to it?  I
>>            > generated a key and saved it using the admin form, but
>>         when I try to
>>            > checkout, it doesn't do anything.  It just sits there.  Has
>>            anyone else
>>            > had this problem/know of a solution?  Help!
>>            > thanks,
>>            > Brad
>>            >
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Re: Projects hosted at projects.openmoko.org

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:53:44 -0700 Brad Pitcher <[hidden email]> babbled:

this is a common problem with projects.om.org - ssh+svn hangs. i've been bitten
by it multiple times. joachim has had to just reboot or restart services. as
projects is scheduled for death - i've moved my source off projects now to my
own SVN.  at least i know my own SVN is going to maintained by me and the E
team - and has such a huge blob of code in it... it's not going to be dead long
before it's fixed up by someone... (and that someone can even be me!) :)

as such - projects.om.org is desired to go as its gforge base is a bit
abandoned, and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or
sourceforge etc."... so as the solution is to use someone elses infra. i know
i'll use my own :)

> oops.. It's seems that was the "fix".  I tried it with DAV and it worked
> on one of my projects, but I think the other one has a problem with the
> SVN repository:
> http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=flashlight
> Can Joachim or anybody please fix this?  I have fresh code that needs to
> be put in a safe place before it gets bit rot! ;)
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> Brad Pitcher wrote:
> > well... I don't have that computer/network anymore so unfortunately I
> > can't confirm that.  Do these responses indicate that you haven't had
> > these problems?  Even when I did get it working, I remember very
> > clearly that it was quite a royal pain.  It never worked for me with
> > the "svn+ssh" method and I always had to used the DAV method.  It's
> > really just me? :(
> >
> > mahendra panpalia wrote:
> >> then it seems it is not local server problem.
> >> you may confirm by ssh to the computer where it downloads the project
> >> from openmoko and then ssh to openmoko.
> >>
> >> can you try this?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Brad Pitcher <[hidden email]
> >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Not with this computer.  I guess it could be a local network
> >>     problem, but it's supposed to be completely open.  I can ssh onto
> >>     other servers.
> >>
> >>     mahendra panpalia wrote:
> >>
> >>         Brad.....Were you able to connect it before??
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Vikas Saurabh
> >>         <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> >>         <mailto:[hidden email]
> >>         <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>            My best guess would be some proxy/gateway blocking your
> >>         traffic.
> >>
> >>            On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Brad Pitcher <
> >>            [hidden email]
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Rumoured death of projects.openmoko.org

Rod Whitby
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) rumoured:
> as such - projects.om.org is desired to go as its gforge base is a bit
> abandoned, and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or
> sourceforge etc."... so as the solution is to use someone elses infra. i know
> i'll use my own :)

Looks like it's time to move MokoMakefile back to svn.nslu2-linux.org ...

Could we have official confirmation or denial of this rumour please, and
an accompanying timeframe?

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Re: Projects hosted at projects.openmoko.org

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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> as such - projects.om.org is desired to go as its gforge base is a bit
> abandoned, and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or
> sourceforge etc."... so as the solution is to use someone elses infra. i know
> i'll use my own :)


Hmm. By what mechanism do we "migrate" all the projects currently on
projects.om.org? There is a lot of good information in there.

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Re: Projects hosted at projects.openmoko.org

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:58:26 -0700 Michael Shiloh <[hidden email]>
babbled:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > as such - projects.om.org is desired to go as its gforge base is a bit
> > abandoned, and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or
> > sourceforge etc."... so as the solution is to use someone elses infra. i
> > know i'll use my own :)
>
>
> Hmm. By what mechanism do we "migrate" all the projects currently on
> projects.om.org? There is a lot of good information in there.

no idea. i know roh wants to see it dead and i think wolfgang etc. seem to
agree its a hassle and om wants to use other places to host projects.

as such i'd say its the job of the respective project owners to move stuff
away. i've done mine already :)

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Re: Rumoured death of projects.openmoko.org

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Rod Whitby wrote:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) rumoured:
>> as such - projects.om.org is desired to go as its gforge base is a bit
>> abandoned, and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or
>> sourceforge etc."... so as the solution is to use someone elses infra. i know
>> i'll use my own :)
>
> Looks like it's time to move MokoMakefile back to svn.nslu2-linux.org ...
>
> Could we have official confirmation or denial of this rumour please, and
> an accompanying timeframe?

i can clearly deny that rumor.

its correct we were thinking about alternatives, but recently the the
debian gforge maintainer also offer his help, so we think we will find a
way to at least stabilize things.

google code tries to limit people in features, design, and even in
choice of 'allowed licenses' (please read the fineprint ;)
sourceforge has stability problems themselves from time to time as we
all know.

also there is clearly a intent of projects with or for openmoko to be
visible with it, and for us, to atleast provide something which is
comparedably cheap: some bandwith, and a slice of hosting.
projects is most the time not even noticeable compared to buildhost, our
own repos and all the webservices and the needed databases, so cost is
really not the issue here at all. if, then its in 'people keeping it alive'
i have to admit, we have tended to ignore it for a bit, even not touch
it if not neccessary, but i hope we can do that better in the future.


mokomakefile again, is kinda essential piece to build all our stuff easily.
it is only one file. which can from my pov also go directly to
svn.openmoko.org.

rwhitby: please find a nice path and tell it to me and i'll add you to
rw for it.

same goes with all the stuff developed for asu. i see no reason besides
'eat out own dogfood' (which isnt even ours, we did not write gforge)
to use projects there and complicate the setup of commitlog ml, repos,
commit-access, and tracking all that development.

one thing some people forget: everything committed to svn.openmoko.org
shows up in the search and the timeline (named changelog in our case) of
the docs.openmoko.org

git is not properly integrated yet since trac doesnt support multiple
repos within one 'project env' yet.
there is work being done towards that which will propably be merged to
stable in the next or the following major revision.


to summon it up: we will keep projects.openmoko.org running.
we provided the service, and i see no reason to 'pull the carpet' below
people, only because of some hickups here and there.
i think when we clean it up a bit, eventually hide or remove some unused
or unnecessary features we can make good use of it. (e.g. do we really
need cvs there? does anybody really use the forum feature?)

the biggest problems with gforge are currently that it sometimes doesnt
like the users which added their accounts via gforge anymore propably
due to some pam interaction trouble. also it tends to set groups too
restrictive in some crons 'sometimes' which is difficult to debug when
one is not 'that deep into' how gforge works internally.
most the time we just 'got it running again' easily, but could not find
the real cause, even after hours of grepping through gforge.
means we fixed the perms and left it doing its job (which it does fine
99% of the time.
also it uses a chroot internally which makes things one level more
exiting when getting 'some path or file' out of some log. ;)



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Re: Projects hosted at projects.openmoko.org

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Michael Shiloh wrote:

>
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>> as such - projects.om.org is desired to go as its gforge base is a bit
>> abandoned, and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or
>> sourceforge etc."... so as the solution is to use someone elses infra. i know
>> i'll use my own :)
>
>
> Hmm. By what mechanism do we "migrate" all the projects currently on
> projects.om.org? There is a lot of good information in there.

there is no mechanism and thats another reason not to do it ;)

please see my other (long) mail for details


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Re: Projects hosted at projects.openmoko.org

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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> no idea. i know roh wants to see it dead and i think wolfgang etc. seem to
> agree its a hassle and om wants to use other places to host projects.

i want to keep the service, but i am not stringent about software.
my 'wish platform' would be something which iss less 'bitchy' and more
easy to work with, but thats more a question of choice of tools than of
intent ;)
also 'migrating' is always aeons more complicated than just 'making new' ;)

> as such i'd say its the job of the respective project owners to move stuff
> away. i've done mine already :)

if you do that, please send us a mail or open us a ticket in admin-trac
so we can delete the project for good (and make sure there are no old
piles of code of misleading stubs laying around.


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Re: Projects hosted at projects.openmoko.org

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:15:45 +0200 Joachim Steiger <[hidden email]> babbled:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > no idea. i know roh wants to see it dead and i think wolfgang etc. seem to
> > agree its a hassle and om wants to use other places to host projects.
>
> i want to keep the service, but i am not stringent about software.

hmm well last i heard goole code etc. were being bandied about as "use the
enemy's tools against them" i think the quote was or so.

> my 'wish platform' would be something which iss less 'bitchy' and more
> easy to work with, but thats more a question of choice of tools than of
> intent ;)
> also 'migrating' is always aeons more complicated than just 'making new' ;)

yeah. i don't see it's the job of you or om to go migrate. if users want their
stuff somewhere else - their business.

> > as such i'd say its the job of the respective project owners to move stuff
> > away. i've done mine already :)
>
> if you do that, please send us a mail or open us a ticket in admin-trac
> so we can delete the project for good (and make sure there are no old
> piles of code of misleading stubs laying around.

it's easier for us to support ourselves on e's svn - also illume is very
closely tied to e's code so it makes more sense there. at least every time ssh
+svn stops working i dont have to go find you and wait for it to be fixed so i
can commit again :)

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Re: Rumoured death of projects.openmoko.org - Dr. House still working

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Rod,

> Could we have official confirmation or denial of this rumour please,  
> and
> an accompanying timeframe?

projects.openmoko.org will continue to be run by Openmoko, without an  
end date. We did decide, however, that we cannot invest major  
engineering resources into fixing and improving GForge.
If someone wants to do this they are very welcome to help us, get in  
touch with roh and Gismo who keep our GForge server running. They  
probably have a long list of things they would like to see improved in  
GForge.

Now comes the tricky part:

1) We are operating out own GForge server.
2) We know it is technically behind.
3) We know not much activity out there is going on to change this.
4) We looked at our business model and realized we rather focus our  
engineering resources on what we believe we can be really good at,  
mobile devices, not Internet services.
5) We know there are technically better code hosting services on the  
Internet, for example launchpad.net or code.google.com.

Should we continue to point people to our GForge server, without  
saying anything about alternatives?
Should we point to alternatives that are technically better but  
emotionally or philosophically disliked?

Bottom line - we realized the world is not black and white. Nobody is  
waiting for Openmoko to unify the whole world of Free Software. People  
will put their source codes in many different places anyway.
We will continue to operate our own GForge server. We openly say that  
we cannot afford to put serious (i.e. full-time) engineering resources  
into improving GForge. We call for help, if anyone can improve GForge  
please do so.
But also we acknowledge there are (technically) better alternatives  
out there, like code.google.com.

Does this make sense?
Best Regards,
Wolfgang

On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Rod Whitby wrote:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) rumoured:
>> as such - projects.om.org is desired to go as its gforge base is a  
>> bit
>> abandoned, and the solutions bandied about have been "use google  
>> code or
>> sourceforge etc."... so as the solution is to use someone elses  
>> infra. i know
>> i'll use my own :)
>
> Looks like it's time to move MokoMakefile back to svn.nslu2-
> linux.org ...
>
> Could we have official confirmation or denial of this rumour please,  
> and
> an accompanying timeframe?
>
> -- Rod
>
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